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WarCry - How the SSM “anti-polygamy” movement turned into Animal Farm - Quincy, IL News - QuincyJ
Some monogamists "marry" underage kids, too. But that's breaking the law, same as it would be if polygamy was made legal. You're using deviant cases like Warren Jeffs to paint a picture of a whole host of people, and that's no more justified that calling the entire Catholic church pedophiles or all men serial killers because of John Wayne Gacy. You cannot paint with that broad of a…
Quijote57 - How the SSM “anti-polygamy” movement turned into Animal Farm - Quincy, IL News - QuincyJ
The Founding Fathers most likely did not intend for political liberty to include freedom to practice immorality. Liberty is too often confused with license. Yes, some of the Founders had immoral relationships (the supposed relationship between Jefferson and his female slave, for instance), but I don't think they intended for those to be codified as legal in all the states. And I don't think…
Quijote57 - How the SSM “anti-polygamy” movement turned into Animal Farm - Quincy, IL News - QuincyJ
You make valid arguments except this: in some instances, the polygamist marries an under-aged teenager who does not or cannot consent.
WarCry - How the SSM “anti-polygamy” movement turned into Animal Farm - Quincy, IL News - QuincyJ
For those of you who are throwing out "Why not polygamy??!!??!" like it's some sort of moralistic insult or challenge, I have a question for you: Why NOT polygamy? As long as everyone involved is a legal, consenting adult, why the hell would you care what they're doing? Guess what? There are a LOT of multi-partner relationships going on in this country RIGHT NOW and it's not affecting…
qfingers - How the SSM “anti-polygamy” movement turned into Animal Farm - Quincy, IL News - QuincyJ
Actually there's no reason for the state to issue a marriage license at all. Read the history of it: http://macquirelatory.com/Marriage%20License%20Tr...

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VIDEO: Frese, Sullivan spar over Springfield issues

VIDEO: Frese, Sullivan spar over Springfield issues

2 years, 8 months ago by Bob Gough

Sullivan says Democrats and Republicans are both to blame while Frese says Democrats have been in charge for a decade

State Senator John Sullivan (D-Rushville) and his challenger Republican Randy Frese of Paloma spent their time at the Adams County League of Women Voters candidates forum driving home points about the problems in state government.

Sullivan touted infrastructure improvements that he said he helped bring to West Central Illinois. He said both Republicans and Democrats were responsible for the massive deficits facing the state.

Frese countered that the Democrats have been in charge for the last 10 years and have made no progress in solving those problems. Sullivan said the state had begun to make progress and it would take more bi-partisan cooperation to get it done. He said the Legislature hs put $30 billion back into the pension funds over the last 10 years.

Sullivan said he wanted to utilize gaming expansion to fund education. Frese didn't support that, saying that was supposed to be what the lottery was for.

The men difference on borrowing to pay the state's backlog of bills. Sullivan has pushed borrowing, but Frese said the state can't do it unless there is a concrete plan to pay the money back. Sullivan said it would be paid back in three years.

Sullivan also said he did not vote for the 67 percent tax increase the state passed and he said he supported letting it sunset. Frese said Sulivan has supported other tax increases and he also hoped for the tax increase to sunset.

Frese said he supported pay freezes and term limits while Sullivan said elections serve as term limits. Sullivan said he has voted to cut his pay while Frese said Sullivan pay has increased exponentially over the last 10 years. Sullivan said Frese didn't turn down any pay increases as Adams County Circuit Clerk and Frese said while he accepted those increases, his office had been under budget six of the last seven years.

Frese said his business background would help him put together business-friendly incentives as a senator. He said the state has lost thousands of jobs and mentioned a fertilizer plant that opened in Southeast Iowa because Iowa offered better incentives.

Sullivan said Illinois offered no incentives and Iowa spent $1.5 million per job created.

Both men talked about supporting second amendment rights and while Sullivan touted his NRA endorsement, Frese said Illinois will never have concealed carry as long as Democrat John Cullerton is in charge of the Senate, Democrat Mike Madigan is in charge of the House and Democrat Pat Quinn is governor.

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