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WarCry - How the SSM “anti-polygamy” movement turned into Animal Farm - Quincy, IL News - QuincyJ
Some monogamists "marry" underage kids, too. But that's breaking the law, same as it would be if polygamy was made legal. You're using deviant cases like Warren Jeffs to paint a picture of a whole host of people, and that's no more justified that calling the entire Catholic church pedophiles or all men serial killers because of John Wayne Gacy. You cannot paint with that broad of a…
Quijote57 - How the SSM “anti-polygamy” movement turned into Animal Farm - Quincy, IL News - QuincyJ
The Founding Fathers most likely did not intend for political liberty to include freedom to practice immorality. Liberty is too often confused with license. Yes, some of the Founders had immoral relationships (the supposed relationship between Jefferson and his female slave, for instance), but I don't think they intended for those to be codified as legal in all the states. And I don't think…
Quijote57 - How the SSM “anti-polygamy” movement turned into Animal Farm - Quincy, IL News - QuincyJ
You make valid arguments except this: in some instances, the polygamist marries an under-aged teenager who does not or cannot consent.
WarCry - How the SSM “anti-polygamy” movement turned into Animal Farm - Quincy, IL News - QuincyJ
For those of you who are throwing out "Why not polygamy??!!??!" like it's some sort of moralistic insult or challenge, I have a question for you: Why NOT polygamy? As long as everyone involved is a legal, consenting adult, why the hell would you care what they're doing? Guess what? There are a LOT of multi-partner relationships going on in this country RIGHT NOW and it's not affecting…
qfingers - How the SSM “anti-polygamy” movement turned into Animal Farm - Quincy, IL News - QuincyJ
Actually there's no reason for the state to issue a marriage license at all. Read the history of it: http://macquirelatory.com/Marriage%20License%20Tr...

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Rejects city incentives in return for fast and efficient process

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Tony Magee wanted the labels of his famed Lagunitas IPA to one day say “brewed and bottled in Chicago.”

So more than two years ago while driving to work, when he decided to open a second brewery, he knew he’d be coming home.

“From the very beginning we have been a Chicago brewery in northern California,” Magee, an Arlington Heights native, told the Chicago Sun-Times editorial board Thursday.

He found the perfect location — part of a West Side warehouse complex that once housed the Ryerson steel plant.

And then he met with city officials.

At City Hall, officials there started to talk about financial incentives that would be available.

“I was like, I don’t want any of it,” Magee said.

Instead, he asked for help making sure the process to open the brewery was fast and efficient.

“I need an expedited process because I have to add this capacity because the brewery in California is growing so fast,” Magee said he told the officials.

He said he didn’t want taxpayers’ dollars.

“You start realizing you make the world around you by the decisions you make as you move through it and if I don’t feel like the government should be looted [or] whored out for businesses ... we don’t need it ... so why ask for it?” Magee said. “I’d rather they have more midnight basketball and fill potholes. Don’t give it to me.”

Now just over two years later, the ribbon to the Chicago brewery has been cut.

Deputy Mayor Steve Koch said the city didn’t cut any corners, but didn’t want to be a barrier to a new 300,000-square-foot business that employs more than 125 people.

“If somebody wants to come and make that kind of investment in Chicago, we are going to do our best to be ahead of them,” Koch said. “We don’t want the city to be an obstacle.”

And why did Magee choose Chicago?

“It’s Chi-f******-cago,” said the plain-spoken, laid-back musician, who makes no secret of his affinity for smoking weed.

But there’s also a practical side to having a brewery here.

Chicago is a shipping hub; in California, the company was spending about $150,000 a month on freight costs.

That kind of money is better spent on a facility, Magee said,

And there’s the cachet of Chicago, as opposed to a neighboring suburb.

“If I’m going to sell beer from this brewery in Sweden and the UK as we do right now ... they all know where Chicago is,” he said. “I don’t think they know where Bedford Park is.”

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